Re: [HCDX] [Cumbre DX] Re: RSH - why bother listening - details available online

["Bruce Churchill" <b.churchill@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Jari and Stig:

Just to enter the fray here...

Like Jari, I have precious little time to send reception reports these days
and am highly selective in what I can send. So...what I do is record every
logging I make, whether on my home rig or on a DX Tuner receiver. I probably
have over 400 recordings (software files using Total Recorder) since Feb
2004 - as far as I'm concerned, these recording are better than any QSL card
to prove what was heard and from what location and receiver settings - they
just don't have the card "collector" value. On the other hand, I really
enjoy going back and listening to these recordings anytime I want. I'm not
going to make the mistake I did back in the late 70's and dump all my audio
tapes of rare DX stations! The down side of this is that I get lazy and
don't log program details since most often I don't send a report - so if I
decide to send a report I have to re-listen to the recording to recreate a
written report. I also need a better log system for my recordings -
Shortwave Log would be a good solution.

If folks feel they have to "cheat" to get a QSL, they only hurt themselves -
I for one see no pleasure in receiving an "unearned" QSL. Of course the
other downside is that such people can give our hobby a bad name if they
continually send "bogus" reports. On RSH Day I made recordings from both DX
Tuner (Sweden) for clarity and enjoyment, and from my own receiver in
California for "DX" purposes. I will send RSH recordings from both sites
which I think provides them very useful comparative information. The
difference is 5,000+ miles vs. 8,000+ miles, not a big deal from a DX
perspective for a 1 KW broadcaster, but again useful for comparative
purposes.

My 2 cents worth...all in all it was a fun day and Robert Kipp should be
profusely thanked for the effort to put this event together!

Bruce

 

 
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-----Original Message-----
From: cumbredx-admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cumbredx-admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Jari Savolainen
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:19 AM
To: Stig Hartvig Nielsen; cumbredx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: dxld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; hard-core-dx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Cumbre DX] Re: [HCDX] RSH - why bother listening - details
available online

Hi Stig,
no problem, comments are always welcome.
I agree with you, there are lot of ways to "cheat" if
someone wants to. My commentt was about this particular
RSH transmission. Why should we make the (possible) cheating
even easier by putting details or even audiofiles available in the net.

Oldfashioned, heh, I guess I am. But I don't think the received QSL
from some station is a word of God. It's just a souvenir, reminding you
of that particular listening moment. It proves nothing as you say. You know
you've heard the station, is there a QSL or not.

Sometimes there are pleasant verifications, in which you can clearly see
that your report has been checked detail by detail and then verified.
Some years ago I got a QSL-letter from a station, saying my report was
correct except in one detail. The newsreader name was Michael Burden,
not Michael Burton as I had written. I don't remeber the exact name but
that above shows how small the error was. That kind of thing shows that
some (small) stations still check the details. Or an Indonesian station with
minute-by-minute explanation of my details, what type of songs were played
and what was said, (correct) program titles etc.

Nowadays I'm sending out only a handful of reception reports (mostly e-mail)
per year. But as you say, the thrill of listening to DX-stations is here and
stays, with or without QSL's.

Kind regards and best 73,
Jari Savolainen
Kuusankoski
Finland

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stig Hartvig Nielsen" <hartvig@xxxxxx>
To: "'Jari Savolainen'" <jari.savolainen@xxxxxxxxxxx>;
<cumbredx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <dxld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <hard-core-dx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [HCDX] RSH - why bother listening - details available online



Jari - you are a good DX-friend of mine - so don't take this personally -
but you're sounding like a voice from the 70'ies or 80'ies - when you would
spend endless amount of time writing a detailed reception report to a radio
station in order to prove you actually heard the station and get a QSL
confirming your reception of the station.

Sorry, but that is history.

Today you've got so many ways of "cheating". Exactly as you have described -
programme details and recordings of exotic and rare "DX-stations" are widely
available on the internet. You can also listen to several stations streaming
on the internet. You can utilize DX-Tuner. You can easily travel to far away
counties and send reception reports to the stations in that particular area.
Etc. - etc.

So obviously the idea of QSL'ing in the old sense is completely dead. I
think.

If you bother sending out reception reports and the stations bother
responding with a QSL, that's nice - and a nice souvenir but off course it
doesn't really prove anything.

I don't know whether 90, 95 or even 99 percent of the people sending out
reception reports are honest people - or we've got more Giovanni
Bellabarba's among us ...

But DX'ing is still a great hobby. I think that neither Giovanni Bellabarba
nor the lack of "real" QSLs can take that away from us. Trying to catch
distant stations is - for me - still very exiting.

And - I too enjoyed the transmission from Radio St. Helena yesterday from
s/on 1800 UTC and for most of the evening here. Reception was quite good -
armchair listening at times :-)


Best 73s
Stig Hartvig Nielsen,
Denmark




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Sendt: 5. november 2006 21:15
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Emne: [HCDX] RSH - why bother listening - details available online

As always, during some very special broadcasts the dx-mailing
lists are filled with detailed logs of reception. Just the same with
this R St Helena broadcast. A weak mind with poor reception/no
reception at all can easily build up a reception report from these
mailings. And if someone puts a recording of the whole transmission
online, even better. There's gone the thrill of trying to log a station
with sufficient program details by yourself. Well, good for RSH,
they'll get more reports - more IRC's - more Greenstamps. But
how about the real reception? The broadcast was a great, hardwork of
Robert and all the sponsors and the staff of RSH. Thank you.
Jari Savolainen
Kuusankoski
Finland


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