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DX LISTENING DIGEST 00-90, JULY 11, 2000 edited by Glenn Hauser, wghauser@xxxxxxxxxxx

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** ANTARCTICA. 15476, LRA36 R Nac Arcángel San Gabriel, currently is
on the air only Mon-Fri 1800-2100; on Sat & Sun's they are
maintaining the equipments & tx. About the lot of reports received,
up today they are not answering the sames with its QSLs but only for
this moment, this, because at the stn they are not received the
stamps requested to the Argentine post from a long time, but this
will be solved because the QSLs will be sent to a person in Buenos
Aires, and from here, will be send to the listeners. (Gabriel Iván
Barrera, Argentina, July 10, BC-DX via DXLD)

** ARGENTINA [non]. "La Voz del Pueblo Indígena" - "The Voice of the
Indigenous People" is a one-time special program produced by the
Indigenous Association of the Republic of Argentina (AIRA) with the
objective of "making known the viewpoints of Argentina's Indian
population regarding human rights and claims of a marginalized people
who were the original owners of the land which is denied to them
today."  This Spanish-language program, arranged by DXer Norberto
Pugliese in Buenos Aires, will air only on WRMI, and for only two
transmissions on UT [Saturday] July 22: 0030-0100 on 9955 kHz (pre-
empting "La Voz de CAMCO" on this day only) to Latin America, and
0700-0730 on 7385 kHz to North America. Comments, opinions and
reports on this program will be answered by AIRA, including a special
QSL card for reception reports. Please include one International
Reply Coupon (or a 75-cent stamp if you're in Argentina) in your
correspondence. The address is: Cacique Rogelio Guanuco, AIRA,
Balbastro 1790, CP 1406 Buenos Aires, Argentina (Jeff White, WRMI,
July 10, DX LISTENING DIGEST) See also PERU, USA

** BOLIVIA. New QSL: Radio Yura, Yura, 4716.8; very nice surprise
today in my "e-mail box" Mr. Rolando Cueto F. at
canal18@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx confirms with e-mail QSL my e-mail
report in 4 days, presumed address: Yura, Provincia Quijarro,
Departamento de Potosí, Bolivia 73 & good DX, (Daniele Canonica,
Switzerland, July 11, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** BOLIVIA. A nice-looking but rather vaguely worded multicolour e-
mail diploma (80.5 kB) has been received from Rolando Cueto of
Católica Televisión, in Potosí, founder of R Yura (4716.8). His e-
mail address is CANAL18@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx but postal delivery
seems to be working OK, too. Just be sure to write the address as
Radio Yura,
Yura, Provincia Quijarro,
Departamento de Potosí,
Bolivia
The station seems interested in listeners letters judging by a
programme my friend Rafael Rodríguez, in Colombia, heard last weekend
(Henrik Klemetz, Sweden, July 11, hard-core-dx via DXLD)

** BOLIVIA. On 4716.7 RADIO YURA. 0010 - 0040 July 9. R Yura was
heard with an interesting program for foreign listeners, called:
Yura, ayer y hoy. In it they mentioned various things related to the
town of Yura, for instance that Yura dates from the Spanish colonial
era when it was a place where silver from the neighboring mines was
stockpiled before it was sent to Spain. Present-day Yura has
electricity and drinking water facilities around the clock and there
is telephone availability through a local telephone station. To reach
the town, there is a daily bus service from Potosí. The population is
very friendly, but there are no hotels. Instead tourists may ask
local families for a night´s lodging or two. The programme was
dedicated, they said, to listeners in Europe and Asia that had been
writing in. They did not give any names but said that they had
received letters from Sweden, Finland, Holland and Belgium. They did
not mention any country in Asia but they were probably referring to
Japan. They also mentioned that the program will be aired every
Saturday at 8 pm local time, UT Sunday 0000. (thanks to Henrik
Klemetz for the translation) (Rafael Rodríguez, Bogotá, Colombia, DX
LISTENING DIGEST)

** BOLIVIA. On 4732.2 RADIO LA PALABRA. 0045-0110 July 9 Comunicados
in QQ and SS "... y siguiendo con su programación le hacemos conocer
a toda la población que sintonizan día a día, que en este programa
pueden enviar sus mensajes, notas aquí a Radio la Palabra que está
ubicada en la parroquia y a este programa la Leyenda del Cabildo?;
completamente gratis para usted señor, señora que nos sintoniza, no
se olvide de sintonizar la transmisión de la santa misa por la
iglesia de Santa Ana..." (Rafael Rodríguez, Bogotá, Colombia, DX
LISTENING DIGEST)

** BOLIVIA. Radio Loyola, 5995v will be celebrating their 50th
anniversary on July 31. They were founded as a shortwave broadcaster
and later added medium wave. They now have an Internet site. (Radio
Católica al Día # 70, July 2 via Conexión Digital #69 via Moore)

About a year ago I listened to them several times via the web. Great
Andean music. I went back and the old link of
http://www.nch.bolnet.bo/WelcomeTexto.html does not work. It could be
a temporary problem. (Try http://www.bolnet.bo and pick the
Chuquisaca node for an alternate entry.) In a web search I also found
this link, but all it had was an image and title -
http://www.datanet.yu/live/radio/r_bo_layo.htm .. Maybe they will be
back on the web by the 50th anniversary. I don't believe I've seen
any SW logs of them for a log time, at least in North America. (Don
Moore, July 10, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** BRAZIL. R. São Carlos is one of the oldest stations in the
country. Its founder Gisto Rossi was one of the pioneers of radio in
Brasil. However, the station has declined in the last decade, not
keeping up with technological innovations. But in a recent visit to
the station, in a conversation with the owner, I was informed of some
interesting innovations I would like to pass on. In September, R. São
Carlos will complete 60 years. Among other things, its installations
are being renovated, new equipment installed, a new vitality
generated. Its frequency of 2420 kHz on 120 meters will be
reactivated shortly, ``at any moment``. It will also have a website
and possibly streaming online. The big news would be the intention to
transmit on 49 or 60 meters, since broadcasts on 120m these days are
rather pointless, except for us DXers, of course. I was also informed
that reception reports will be confirmed, especially on the occasion
of the stations`s 60th anniversary. Let`s hope so (Samuel Cássio,
Brazil, July 10, radio-escutas, translated by gh for DXLD)

** CHINA. Hi Glenn! Just heard WOR 1043 on the Web. Some further info
that might interest you: It is very likely that 9915 is being jammed,
but it is also likely that the web site will be jammed too. In case
you didn't know, the government of China is the only legal Internet
Service Provider in China. This ISP has erected a "great firewall of
China" (I read this in a newspaper article) to block out so-called
sensitive websites, such as CNN and BBC and probably
http://www.falundafaradio.org too. (Ricky Leong, Quebec, DX LISTENING
DIGEST)

** CHINA [non]. Glenn, I heard China back on 9570 0100-0200 July 11,
very strong carrier, but poor audio quality. (Ivan Grishin, Ont., DX
LISTENING DIGEST) via Cuba

** EGYPT. Another strong carrier/poor audio combination continues to
be Radio Cairo 0200 on 9475. In fact, there was no audio for about
five minutes toward the end of the news around 0225, but audio came
back with the start of feature program around 0230, still over-
modulated. 73, (Ivan Grishn, Ont., July 11, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** ETHIOPIA [non]. There is a sixth opposition station broadcasting
from Jülich to the Horn of Africa. It is RAINBOW RADIO ("Kestedamena
Radio"). It currently broadcasts in Amharic as follows:

1600-1700 (Fridays) on 15105 to Africa
0100-0200 (Saturdays) on 9855 to North America
0900-1000 (Sundays) on 5995 to Europe

The full station ID is: "Radio Rainbow, Voice of Peace and
Brotherhood" (In Amharic: "Ye Kestedamena Radio Ye Selamena
Wendemamachenet Dimtse")

Rainbow Radio began broadcasting via Jülich in 1997, but I'm not sure
if it's been on the air continuously since then. So, the Ethiopian/
Eritrean stations currently hiring time from DTK are:

1. Voice of Oromo Liberation.
2. Voice of the Democratic Path of Ethiopian Unity.
3. Radio Freedom, Voice of the Ogadeni People.
4. Voice of Democratic Eritrea.
5. Voice of Ethiopian Salvation.
6. Rainbow Radio, Voice of Peace and Brotherhood.

(Chris Greenway, UK, July 11, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** GERMANY. Bob Padula wrote: >yet we have this outpouring of
infantile, sexually  orientated, obnoxious, drug-pushing trash

Bob, is this a copy of comments about rock music from some 35 years
ago? Reminds me to a TV spot from Levis, where a tape with techno was
replaced by one with country before a police patrol checks the car.
(If "Levis" rings a bell: Right, that's the sponsor of the "Global
Sound Kitchen" broadcasts, which are aired via Merlin transmitters.)

using transmitter capacity which would be better utilised for DW
programming.

DW let down the Jülich station, they stated, the equipment at Jülich
is outdated and the station will disappear in open-cast minings, both
simply lies. Hence it makes no sense to discuss a usage of these
transmitters by DW instead of such stuff, or preachers, exile groups
playing broadcasting, I beg your pardon, of course telling people the
truth, ...

To my ears, this is pure garbage!!!

To my ears Schlager (there is no English word for this kind of songs) are pure garbage. Nevertheless I pay with my licence fees also for ARD networks with Schlager format as well as the embarrassing EBU song contest.

I'd be interested in other views!

Well, that's a try to express my views. I want to add that this programme included a wide range of artists and styles one will hardly hear on commercial stations, presented by natural announcers instead of the "cool" and "trendy" kids, which one hears covering "lifestyle" topics elsewhere (not only on commercial networks). In my humble opinion this was altogether a reasonable programme for a public broadcaster. And this regards the Fritz network of ORB in general, where one will find the whole range of what is usually called "youth culture" namely in special programmes tonight. By the way, the Loveparade programme included also some remarks about the "youth mania" from some well-known techno artists, who will soon reach the age of 40. I guess other "youth programs" would have excluded them from the start for this reason... (Kai Ludwig, Germany, Electronic DX Press via DXLD)

What interests me most about this broadcast was the fact that SW was
used for this type of program. Given the prevailing consensus that
"youth" audiences are supposed to be plugged in to the net, and not
listening to the wireless any more, it would be interesting to see
what kind of listener feedback it generated. Presumably the
broadcasters had some audience in mind when they hired the airtime. I
remember the days when Radio Australia used to broadcast a show by
the host of TV's "Rock Arena" featuring more alternative and
progressive rock music. Judging by the listener mail, it had a big
following -- and that was back in the days before satellite delivery
and real audio internet feeds. (Matt Francis, Australia, July 11,
EDXP via DXLD)

You won't get any argument from me on this score, Bob. To me, this is
what happens when you turn over these resources to commercial
interests. My own feeling is that we are doomed to more of this kind
of fare as our once respected public broadcasters, transmitters and
other facilities are increasingly put in the hands of those from the
commercial sector who have no appreciation nor understanding of the
important differences between the respective missions of public
service broadcasting and that which serves only the needs of
advertisers and shareholders. They see us only "consumers" and act
accordingly. Another illustration of this is the ABC's Mr. Shier. The
noises coming from his brain are most depressing, IMHO. (John A.
Figliozzi, NY, EDXP via DXLD)

Amen! If you don't like it, why the heck do you listen then? I think
it should be possible for every DXer to be so tolerant and accept,
that there are people with other tastes than your own who might be
interested in this. Mind you, this was a onetime-only broadcast, so
at least you don't have to stand it every day... ;-) AFAIK this came
via the Jülich transmitter-site. These transmitters aren't used by DW
any longer, they are hired out by our Telekom to everybody who is
willing to put enough cash on the table. Clients range from fire and
brimstone preachers like Brother Stair to Liberation Armies from all
over the world, relays of international broadcasters and so on. Now
ORB has decided to hire some hours. So what? Can't say, that for
example Brother Stair's rubbish is better. Even if it's not sexually
orientated and drug pushing trash *this* kind of broadcasts are
obnoxious and a pollution of the airwaves. In my mind it is a real
nuisance that these kind of guys get allowance to rent a transmitter
site which was paid by the german taxpayer. But some hours of Techno
music? Get a life! Greetings, (Martin Elbe, Germany, hcdx via DXLD)

I heard some of the Parade, but the music (???) featured at other
times wasn`t what I normally listen to - I've stopped visiting
discos! I note in the British DX Club "Communication" on the pirates
page that mx format is designated : - drum 'n bass, hardcore, techno,
jungle, dance, soft soul, reggae, shouts!, garage, house, rap "Hold
Tight!" and ragga. I presume it was some of this we were hearing via
ORB. It must have sounded "unusual" in Germany to hear this on SW as
well as the usual FM. Still, it was the first time I'd heard the stn,
and it seems unlikely I'll hear it again - unless they return next
year to SW. (Noel R. Green, UK, July 9, BC DX via DXLD)

Hi Glenn. Comments as requested by Bob! GERMANY Bob Padula asks what
is the point of the current broadcasts? I am inclined to agree - it
isn`t my sort of music. But I fail to see what the use of a DTK relay
at Jülich has to do with "transmitter capacity better utilised for DW
programming". Jülich appears to sell time to pretty much anyone, and
I can only presume Ostdeutscher Rundfunk Brandenburg (ORB) or one of
their sponsors is paying for the broadcast. (Richard Jary, Australia,
July 10, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** KOREA SOUTH. Referring to the item in DXLD 00-89, the 15575
channel of RKI quoted as "new" for English at 2100 is nothing of the
kind. That service and outlet have been in use for a long, long, time
(several years in fact!). (Bob Padula, July 10, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** MOLDOVA/ROMANIA I received a copy of R Moldova International's
schedule today, valid until Oct 29:
1100-1125 Sp  15315 LAm
1130-1200 Rom 15315 NAm
1200-1225 En  15315 NAm
1930-1955 Ru   7520 Russia
1000-1025 Fr   7520 France [sic; should be 2000-2025 -gh]
2030-2055 En   7520 WEu
2100-2125 Sp   7520 Spain

All via Bacau Galbeni, Romania, 120 kW. There's no mention on the
paper he sent of weekdays only, or any other days. (Rikard Johansson,
Sweden, via Noel R. Green, UK, July 6, BC-DX via DXLD)

And what about the evening broadcasts to NAm? If this sked is
complete, they are gone (gh)

** MONGÖLIA. Tuesday (July 11th) is Mongolia's National Day; folks
who can hear VOM may want to check to hear if there's any special
programming. Best reception on the east coast of North America is
1030 UT on 12085 in English. Usually I don't hear this in the summer
but have been getting it off and on for the past 2 months. (King
Pineapple, rec.radio.shortwave via John Norfolk, DXLD)

Or on the website http://www.mongol.net/vom/voice.ram I thought, as
in DXLD 00-72. But, guess what: on July 11 at 1320 it is the SAME
program I heard on June 4, reading from the papers, and about the
spring disaster fires! So they put up one program and left it, rather
than a new one every day. What a shame. (Glenn Hauser, DX LISTENING
DIGEST)

** NIGERIA. Glenn, I have not heard you report this (unless I just
missed it), but have noticed Voice of Nigeria using a new frequency
of 7265 kHz (up 10 kHz). Sign on in English at 0500 UT (July 11th). I
guess they finally got tired of the interference on 7255? Seems to be
a good move so far with no "on" or co-channel problems for at least
for the first 1/2 hour. Well, I see the transmitter has dropped off
the air here as I type this about 0510 but back on about 0522, so a
few problems?? I'm guessing this change must have be fairly current?
Regards, (David Zantow, N9EWO, WI, July 11, DX LISTENING DIGEST) News
to me (gh)

** PERÚ. 5855.7, RADIO UNIVISION 2000, 0110-0140 July 9: Confirming
the info by Malm in SWB/DXLD, this is the name for this station,
"...las 8 de la noche con 15 minutos la hora nacional en el Perú y en
tu Radio Univisión 2000 que transmite desde la Ciudad de Soritor,
departamento de San Martín, República del Perú..." The announcer
mentioned QTH for reports in Jirón Rioja 720, but I am not sure that
is the station's address; may be personal address (Rafael Rodríguez,
Bogotá, Colombia, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** PERÚ. 6672.9, RADIO ANDINA, 2155-2230 July 8: Noted with the
program Sábados Sanjuaneros. "... Radio Andina, una voz al ritmo de
los tiempos modernos..." many Advs. Carnicería la favorita, Librería
Madeco, Foto estudio Cornejo, Servicio Técnico Marcia, Comercial Luz
de Dios. At 0000 noted with pgm: Mujeres por la Democracia. The
announcer mentioned that the QTH in Calle Huascar No 201 is
provisional; next they will be in Avenida Ramón Castilla No. 254. At
0200 pgm. Así canta Perú y Ecuador. In the mornings Paulina Choque
Huanta presents the pgm Canto Andino. (Rafael Rodríguez, Bogotá,
Colombia, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** PERÚ. Hello, 6672.9 Radio Andina, Huancabamba, 0223 10/07/2000,
``...por favor llamarnos al teléfono 473104 para ver como llega la
señal... program "Así Canta Perú y Ecuador" 73 (Rogildo Fontenelle
Aragão, Bolivia, July 10, hard-core-dx via DXLD)

** PERÚ [non]. WRMI -- Radio Miami International -- has several new
programs. Among them: "La Resistencia Democrática Perú"

Hosted by Dr. Paul Caro, ex-Minister of Health of Peru. In the wake
of the recent presidential elections in Peru that were declared
unfair by the Organization of American States and the USA, among
others, this Spanish-language program promotes free elections and
freedom of speech in Peru. Each program also features music from
Peru or South America. The producers are offering free prizes to
those who hear the program and write to them (by either e-mail or
regular mail) during the first few weeks of programming. The program
is broadcast UT Wednesday and Friday at 0030-0100 on 9955 kHz. The
address is: Programa Radial VLC, P.O. Box 836534, Miami, Florida
33283 USA. E-mail can be sent to: vuelvenloscondores@xxxxxxxxxxx
(Jeff White, WRMI, July 10, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** ROMANIA. RRI Galbeni, Saftica & Tiganesti continuing story. Today
(5 July) the multilingual txion at 0600-0656 had seemingly switched
txs around. 15270 was the best and very strong. 11885 had a noise -
not quite a roar - more like a miaow - while 9665 was much weaker
than usual and 9570 was strong but with low audio level. 11830 was
very noisy and splashing around the channel, while 15105 was strong
but garbled. A very strange set up indeed. Presumably the changes
Olle noted are due to overnight maintenance, when maybe some txs are
switched off. It will be interesting to see how long this
``maintenance`` continues. Presumably their txing set-up is too old
to be automated and all changes need to be done 'manually'. The new
freqs are a "joke" - don't they look at their HFCC documents??!!
(Noel R. Green, UK, July 5, BCDX via DXLD) see also MOLDOVA

** RUSSIA. Serpukhov! and Tula are faked tx locations that are still
used to cover for the real sites east of Moscow, especially the large
Kurovskaya site. The subject of SW bc tx sites in the Moscow oblast
has been well studied both by DXers travelling to the various known
or suspected locations and through access to engineering and
administrative information that is not normally open to the public.
The information gathered in this way has also been confirmed from
extensive monitoring. There are no unaccounted for txs that could
make up for unseen sites at other locations than those mentioned in
the TDP (Olle Alm, Sweden, July 6, BC-DX via DXLD)

** TRISTAN DA CUNHA. Subject: Tristan de Cunha - September 2000.
Plans for my operation from Tristan da Cunha in September 2000 are
now well advanced. Antennas and associated cabling etc are being
dispatched from the UK to rendezvous with the M.V. S.A. Agulhas at
Cape Town, South Africa. All travel arrangements have been finalised
and Karen and I will depart from Cape Town on 31st August with a
scheduled arrival at Tristan da Cunha on 4th September. If we are on
schedule then ZD9ZM should hit the airwaves on 5th September.

Cushcraft A3S and A3WS yagis will be used on 20 metres and up with a
Titanex V160S vertical for use on 160-40 metres. On 30 metres a
dipole is planned. The primary rig will be a Kenwood TS870 with an
Acom1000 amplifier. An Alinco DX70TH will be available as backup and
will also be used for monitoring 6 metres. The primary mode of
operation will be CW and frequencies ending in 3 will be favoured,
listening up 2. A limited amount of activity on RTTY is also
contemplated and for that purpose I will use a Hal DXP38 with an Acer
PC running WF1B software. Departure from Tristan will be on 25th
September.

QSL is via William G McDowell, K4CIA, 13208 Norwood Road, Raleigh, NC
27614-9134, U.S.A. Direct requests must include an SAE and adequate
return postage. Cards may also be requested via the bureau or by e-
mail to k4cia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx A ZD9ZM website is under construction
and the URL will be http://www.dxtechnology.com/zd9zm Best 73, Bob
Henderson 5B4AGN/G3ZEM e-mail: bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (KB8NW/OPDX July
10/BARF-80 via John Norfolk, OKCOK, DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** U S A. WASHINGTON. A TEARFUL SPECIAL EVENT OPERATION! (OPDX ed.
You'll Like This One!) The Ham and Onion Patrol of the Walla Walla
Valley Amateur Radio Club will help commemorate the 100th Anniversary
of the Walla2 Sweet Onion (the one and true sweet onion) with a
Special Event Station on July 14-16th, (actually 0000z on July 15th
to 2400z July 16th). This is scheduled in conjunction with the annual
"Sweet Onion Music Festival". Station W7O will operate on or around
the following frequencies: 3960, 7260, 14260, 21360 and 28460 kHz.
Special prizes will be given to contacts in a number of categories
such as most tearful contact, best onion related phonetics in a
callsign, and others that they will make up as they go long. It is
rumored that their technical department is trying to figure out a way
to power at QRP transmitter using an onion as a power source. Also,
the WWVARC Art Department has come up with what will be "THE QSL of
the Year". It features a picture of the H&O Patrol on maneuvers.
Those wishing to receive a QSL to commemorate their participation in
this event should send a #10 SASE to W7O, c/o Mel Hickman, P. O. Box
2234, Walla Walla, WA 99362. This is definitely a station to look
forward to with relish, and one that will leave you crying if you
miss it. (KB8NW/OPDX July 10/BARF-80 via John Norfolk, OKCOK, DX
LISTENING DIGEST)

** U S A. We invite listeners to check out our new web site
http://www.wrmi.net for details and contact information about all of
the programming on WRMI, and we have a new, easier-to-remember e-mail
address info@xxxxxxxx for your correspondence (Jeff White, WRMI, July
10, DX LISTENING DIGEST) see also ARGENTINA [non] and PERU [non]
above

** U S A. Hello. On a recent show you had an article about someone
hearing WYFR on top of one of the WWV frequencies. I played that for
the station manager of WYFR and here is his e-mail reply to me.
(George Thurman, TX, DXLD)

Thanks for the call, George. On the day in question several severe
thunderstorms passed through. The power dropped out a number of
times. One of the antenna switches caught fire. Although all the
critical Control Room equipment is on uninterruptible power supplies,
sometimes a glitch from the power dropouts gets through and messes
with the computers. And, during the time frame mentioned, a
transmitter that should have been on 15120 kHz got re-set to 15000
kHz and ran that way for a while before the operator noted the
problem and re-set the computer. To err is human; to really screw up,
it takes a computer! Regards, (Dan Elyea, WYFR, June 24 via Thurman,
DX LISTENING DIGEST)

** U S A. WSCR, the all-sports format on 1160 in Chicago, will move
to 670 on August 1, and the historic WMAQ calls will be retired (but
continue on TV) as the news staff is fired. Stories about this:

Ted Cox in the Daily Herald:
http://www.dailyherald.com/d/sports/columns/cox/cox.htm
Note that this url is a permanent url meaning that the WSCR/WMAQ
story will be replaced by the most recent story published which
should be on Friday morning as Cox regularly writes a sports media
story published each Friday. (via Mike Pietruk)

Jim Kirk, Chicago Tribune:
http://chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/kirk/

Robert Feder, Chicago Sun-Times:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/show/lead11.html

(via Christos Rigas, Wood Dale, Illinois, Chicago Area DX Club -
Editor)(all: NRC-AM via DXLD) (Feder also via George Thurman)

** ZIMBABWE [non]. Typo in reference in DXLD 00-89? As far as I know,
Alice Springs is on 4835, not 4825 (Mark Veldhuis, Holland, DXLD) ###

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